Yes, but the problem is. Jaiku is becoming so large now, and, like I told you before, the fact that the content isn't separated, like Channels being separated from Friend's Jaiku's, is just such a huge turn off for me now. I predicted this, and it's becoming true. It's just such a shame, because, it's just more of a hassle then fun anymore, and I predicted this would happen for me personally, and it's setting in.
More tabs would be a wonderful way to solve this, I think I wrote you or someone else about this, and I'd love to beta-test this feature or something like that. It's just so time consuming to deal with now though. I haven't connected with any of my friends through Jaiku now because of this.
There's definitely ongoing work along those lines - but as I'm sure you know, the team is pushing things out in a number of different directions (not just the website), while making sure that we can scale to meet increasing demand.
I know it'll be a little bit of work, but you can now (I can't recall if you could do this when you were last active) unsubscribe from individual streams - that may be a partial fix for your information overload issues?
You don't get all the extra stuff on the mobile client ... that's nicely not there so you only see what contacts are actually saying.
I like that in my desktop client I can see where and what my contacts are saying in channels - it helps me see things I might be interested in and it's easy to ignore if not.
Are you using just the web or have you discovered any of the 3rd party tools? On the Mac, there's a great app called Juhu - http://juhu-mac.blogspot.com/
I'm using a Windows machine unfortunately. Yes, it's a shame that third-party apps have to do this, I'd mainly like to stick to the site. I might have to be forced to try to find an application to download just to manage sifting through all the Jaiku information. It's just too much effort, and should have been handled a long time ago, back when I suggested it. I'm almost tempted to write an article on Mashable about the entire issue, but I will refrain for now in hopes something is done.
Yes, the unsubscribe features were there as well. It's the channels that are ruining it. I just don't feel interested in Jaiku as I once was when I had only a few friends. It's a shame, because I have high hopes for Jaiku.
I'd just love to be able to see my friends Jaikus, and my Channel Jaikus, and nothing else, both on a separate screen, so I can get the information that is important, and not all the channels and other stuff mixed in, because the channels stuff just knocks out all the friends stuff very easily.
I personally love the complete seemingly "chaotic" mashup of comments, feeds, bookmarks etc. on Jaiku "clients" such as Juhu. Maybe that's because I only really got into it a few days ago. The mobile client seems a little bit too one-dimensional at present; but then I'm not using the new private beta client (yet)
It is logical, and that's why it makes sense to do it, and that's why I hope there is work in progress. There is just so much potential with Jaiku, as it gets bigger, it's just becoming too much information to search through to find what I want. It just shouldn't be that difficult to add in the functionality to split up the channels and then friends. I'd also love a simple separation between the listing on the friends and channels. Why must I try to find the exact tiny icon to the group I'm in? It should be a section of listing of your friends, and then a section for Channels, both bunched together separately.
"Maybe that's because I only really got into it a few days ago."
I was the same way when i first started, but now that I've been here awhile, it's just not cool to have to sort through everything.
and no offense Andy, but you don't have barely anything to monitor yet. Try adding 5 popular channels and then keeping up with your few friends, then come back and tell me :)
Think it's all personal in how you manage the flow.
I have several times the number of contacts you do and also maintain contact through a few groups and it's fine for me. I keep up with plenty on mobile when out and about and if I miss someone's bookmark or track played that's just fine.
At least with Jaiku, you can always post a comment after the fact and the thread is reactivated / continued
Point taken. That's why I've been staying away from channels so far :)
I find that I very much prefer the 'free-flow' of conversation; maybe even across different topics. I can join 'Interest Groups' on Facebook and others. Maybe that'll change soon; I don't know.
Exactly Andy, and I want to leave the channels I am in. The TWiT channel to me is just a waste of energy, because I have to sort through all that to get to my friends. I told the devs at mashable that this was going to come back to get them, and how the heck are we supposed to deal with this if we have a huge sports channel, then the TWiT channel, then the Web 2.0 channels, with hundreds of posts per day.... How in the heck do we manage that? It's just making me want to write this article even more and more, because I think Jaikus own creation could be their downfall.
I'd love to create/join a channel on Formula 1, a sport I'm a huge fan of. I'd love to join/create one on the Pittsburgh Steelers, an American football team I follow. I'd love to try and keep track of the Web 2.0 channel I'm in. I just can't, because I know the more channels I add, the more difficult it's going to get. I've talked to a lot of great developers who say I have great ideas, yet Jaiku is the only bunch where none of my suggestions don't even seem to be given serious thought. I'd rather try to talk to Leo personally and call him up and ask his opinions on it instead of writing a story for Mashable, because I know he could give some input.
The TWiT channel is mostly noise because it's Leo posting a thought and everyone (myself included) trying to engage with him, but he rarely replies back.
I think you would need to consider why you'd want to create or join as many channels as you might be interested in if you don't have the time to participate in a meaningful way. Just sort of a natural balance right?
Then in the future I'd have to try to sort through all those little tiny icons on the right side of my screen to find each channel, and then go back and forth to do that. It's just bad design in my opinion. That would work great, if the channels were not thrown together in the mix with all the friends....
Why isn't my suggestion on tabs or changing colors being put to good use. I'm just so tempted to fire up photoshop and throw some good design ideas your way. It's just like, I've worked with so many developers who put ideas into action immediately, and all this could have been avoided, and it shouldn't be a problem, and now have to disable functionality just to manage viewing this stuff? It's like something Microsoft would say, just disable that, and it'll be fine.
Oh, I will take myself out of the equation, raise the issue on Mashable.com and let everyone else just know of the potential issues itself. It's just frustrating, because none of this should be an issue. I'm not quick to judge, because I had suggested these things months ago I believe. Nothing is being done.
How do you know it's not being considered? Thought that was addressed earlier in the thread - though there are some slightly more pressing priorities at the moment as they roll stuff out.
I've found feedback to be very well received on the mobile client which I've been testing. The group involved share bumps, bugs and suggestions and they are all discussed openly. The Jaiku team certainly seems to be paying attention.
I don't know how large the company is, but I'm sure they've go their hands full with the recent growth.
I'm just annoyed. I'm believe I'm the only one that sticks up for Jaiku at Mashable.com (I'm the one who even added it to the blogging resources, they were only going to mention Twitter), and now I'm annoyed with Jaiku a tad bit now because of the reasons I had been defending it, now are the reasons I might not be liking it. Just not sure what to do. Probably just going to take a bit of a break from Jaiku and try to see if it's right for me when I come back.
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You could always integrate Jaiku into your routine - build yourself a loyal following of Jaikuites!
2 years, 5 months ago by malach
Yes, but the problem is. Jaiku is becoming so large now, and, like I told you before, the fact that the content isn't separated, like Channels being separated from Friend's Jaiku's, is just such a huge turn off for me now. I predicted this, and it's becoming true. It's just such a shame, because, it's just more of a hassle then fun anymore, and I predicted this would happen for me personally, and it's setting in.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
More tabs would be a wonderful way to solve this, I think I wrote you or someone else about this, and I'd love to beta-test this feature or something like that. It's just so time consuming to deal with now though. I haven't connected with any of my friends through Jaiku now because of this.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
There's definitely ongoing work along those lines - but as I'm sure you know, the team is pushing things out in a number of different directions (not just the website), while making sure that we can scale to meet increasing demand.
I know it'll be a little bit of work, but you can now (I can't recall if you could do this when you were last active) unsubscribe from individual streams - that may be a partial fix for your information overload issues?
2 years, 5 months ago by malach
You don't get all the extra stuff on the mobile client ... that's nicely not there so you only see what contacts are actually saying.
I like that in my desktop client I can see where and what my contacts are saying in channels - it helps me see things I might be interested in and it's easy to ignore if not.
Are you using just the web or have you discovered any of the 3rd party tools? On the Mac, there's a great app called Juhu - http://juhu-mac.blogspot.com/
2 years, 5 months ago by atmasphere
I'm using a Windows machine unfortunately. Yes, it's a shame that third-party apps have to do this, I'd mainly like to stick to the site. I might have to be forced to try to find an application to download just to manage sifting through all the Jaiku information. It's just too much effort, and should have been handled a long time ago, back when I suggested it. I'm almost tempted to write an article on Mashable about the entire issue, but I will refrain for now in hopes something is done.
Yes, the unsubscribe features were there as well. It's the channels that are ruining it. I just don't feel interested in Jaiku as I once was when I had only a few friends. It's a shame, because I have high hopes for Jaiku.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
I'd just love to be able to see my friends Jaikus, and my Channel Jaikus, and nothing else, both on a separate screen, so I can get the information that is important, and not all the channels and other stuff mixed in, because the channels stuff just knocks out all the friends stuff very easily.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
That's certainly logical. Sounds like there's work in progress...
2 years, 5 months ago by atmasphere
I personally love the complete seemingly "chaotic" mashup of comments, feeds, bookmarks etc. on Jaiku "clients" such as Juhu. Maybe that's because I only really got into it a few days ago. The mobile client seems a little bit too one-dimensional at present; but then I'm not using the new private beta client (yet)
2 years, 5 months ago by andydigitale
It is logical, and that's why it makes sense to do it, and that's why I hope there is work in progress. There is just so much potential with Jaiku, as it gets bigger, it's just becoming too much information to search through to find what I want. It just shouldn't be that difficult to add in the functionality to split up the channels and then friends. I'd also love a simple separation between the listing on the friends and channels. Why must I try to find the exact tiny icon to the group I'm in? It should be a section of listing of your friends, and then a section for Channels, both bunched together separately.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
"Maybe that's because I only really got into it a few days ago." I was the same way when i first started, but now that I've been here awhile, it's just not cool to have to sort through everything.
and no offense Andy, but you don't have barely anything to monitor yet. Try adding 5 popular channels and then keeping up with your few friends, then come back and tell me :)
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
Think it's all personal in how you manage the flow.
I have several times the number of contacts you do and also maintain contact through a few groups and it's fine for me. I keep up with plenty on mobile when out and about and if I miss someone's bookmark or track played that's just fine.
At least with Jaiku, you can always post a comment after the fact and the thread is reactivated / continued
2 years, 5 months ago by atmasphere
Point taken. That's why I've been staying away from channels so far :)
I find that I very much prefer the 'free-flow' of conversation; maybe even across different topics. I can join 'Interest Groups' on Facebook and others. Maybe that'll change soon; I don't know.
2 years, 5 months ago by andydigitale
It's probably just a newbie mindset right now.
2 years, 5 months ago by andydigitale
Exactly Andy, and I want to leave the channels I am in. The TWiT channel to me is just a waste of energy, because I have to sort through all that to get to my friends. I told the devs at mashable that this was going to come back to get them, and how the heck are we supposed to deal with this if we have a huge sports channel, then the TWiT channel, then the Web 2.0 channels, with hundreds of posts per day.... How in the heck do we manage that? It's just making me want to write this article even more and more, because I think Jaikus own creation could be their downfall.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
"How in the heck are we supposed to deal with this"...
Perhaps you could unsubscribe from those streams, while staying a member of those channels?
2 years, 5 months ago by malach
I'd love to create/join a channel on Formula 1, a sport I'm a huge fan of. I'd love to join/create one on the Pittsburgh Steelers, an American football team I follow. I'd love to try and keep track of the Web 2.0 channel I'm in. I just can't, because I know the more channels I add, the more difficult it's going to get. I've talked to a lot of great developers who say I have great ideas, yet Jaiku is the only bunch where none of my suggestions don't even seem to be given serious thought. I'd rather try to talk to Leo personally and call him up and ask his opinions on it instead of writing a story for Mashable, because I know he could give some input.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
I think you're being a bit quick to judge.
The TWiT channel is mostly noise because it's Leo posting a thought and everyone (myself included) trying to engage with him, but he rarely replies back.
I think you would need to consider why you'd want to create or join as many channels as you might be interested in if you don't have the time to participate in a meaningful way. Just sort of a natural balance right?
2 years, 5 months ago by atmasphere
Then in the future I'd have to try to sort through all those little tiny icons on the right side of my screen to find each channel, and then go back and forth to do that. It's just bad design in my opinion. That would work great, if the channels were not thrown together in the mix with all the friends....
Why isn't my suggestion on tabs or changing colors being put to good use. I'm just so tempted to fire up photoshop and throw some good design ideas your way. It's just like, I've worked with so many developers who put ideas into action immediately, and all this could have been avoided, and it shouldn't be a problem, and now have to disable functionality just to manage viewing this stuff? It's like something Microsoft would say, just disable that, and it'll be fine.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
Oh, I will take myself out of the equation, raise the issue on Mashable.com and let everyone else just know of the potential issues itself. It's just frustrating, because none of this should be an issue. I'm not quick to judge, because I had suggested these things months ago I believe. Nothing is being done.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery
How do you know it's not being considered? Thought that was addressed earlier in the thread - though there are some slightly more pressing priorities at the moment as they roll stuff out.
I've found feedback to be very well received on the mobile client which I've been testing. The group involved share bumps, bugs and suggestions and they are all discussed openly. The Jaiku team certainly seems to be paying attention.
I don't know how large the company is, but I'm sure they've go their hands full with the recent growth.
2 years, 5 months ago by atmasphere
I'm just annoyed. I'm believe I'm the only one that sticks up for Jaiku at Mashable.com (I'm the one who even added it to the blogging resources, they were only going to mention Twitter), and now I'm annoyed with Jaiku a tad bit now because of the reasons I had been defending it, now are the reasons I might not be liking it. Just not sure what to do. Probably just going to take a bit of a break from Jaiku and try to see if it's right for me when I come back.
2 years, 5 months ago by JMowery